Advanced Strategy Discussion

[7:26:24 PM] Back from the game

[7:26:30 PM] <Charmides> yay

[7:26:36 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> I was worried about a comm rush

[7:26:43 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> that was the reason for defenses

[7:26:47 PM] <IownU> well...

[7:26:50 PM] <Charmides> im usually aggressive. but then they eventually stop my front line at their base, kill it, and i got nothing left

[7:26:51 PM] <IownU> that makes no sense

[7:26:51 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> but maybe rockos would have been better

[7:26:56 PM] <IownU> if you're afraid of a com rush

[7:27:02 PM] <IownU> why build stationary defense

[7:27:09 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> requires less micro

[7:27:16 PM] <IownU> ah, so you're lazy

[7:27:19 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> heh

[7:27:23 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> no, I'm busy

[7:27:32 PM] <Charmides> grow another hand

[7:27:35 PM] <Charmides> its pretty useful

[7:27:37 PM] <IownU> a move order doesn't take up much time

[7:27:41 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> or maybe not as micro effecient as other players

[7:27:59 PM] <IownU> you know how to spread units on a line, right?

[7:28:06 PM] <Charmides> drag right mouse

[7:28:09 PM] <IownU> yeah

[7:28:18 PM] <IownU> just put them on one

[7:28:24 PM] <IownU> and when you need to pull back

[7:28:27 PM] <IownU> use that same order

[7:28:32 PM] <Charmides> i saw you doin a lot of that with noize

[7:28:34 PM] <IownU> so units won't walk in eachothers way

[7:28:37 PM] <IownU> keep on firing

[7:28:42 PM] <IownU> yup

[7:28:43 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> I do that quita a bit too

[7:28:49 PM] <IownU> so they're not in each others line of fire

[7:28:58 PM] <IownU> when enemy units walk in

[7:29:02 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> it is especially important with rockos and jethros

[7:29:04 PM] <IownU> they're usually clustered

[7:29:10 PM] <IownU> so less than 50% of them can actually fire

[7:29:24 PM] <IownU> if you have 10 units spread out

[7:29:30 PM] <IownU> and your opponent has 15 clustered

[7:29:34 PM] <IownU> your 10 will win

[7:29:40 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> that line order made rockos and jethros 200% more effective

[7:29:49 PM] <IownU> as long as you have all 10 attack 1 enemy unit

[7:30:18 PM] <Charmides> can you walk and focus fire at the same time?

[7:30:42 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> maybe I should focus more

[7:30:49 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> I tend to do stuff all over the map

[7:30:54 PM] <IownU> you're better off killing an enemy unit every 2 seconds, than have all of them fire at different units for 20-30 seconds

[7:31:11 PM] <IownU> i don't think there's a simple command for that Charmides

[7:31:36 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> what I need to do is get more complex in my build order

[7:31:42 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> longer chains

[7:31:47 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> so I can micro units more

[7:31:54 PM] <Charmides> i need to stop losing

[7:31:56 PM] <Charmides> im not really sure how though

[7:32:02 PM] <IownU> i usually spend 50% of my time on giving cons/plants orders

[7:32:03 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> I win a lot

[7:32:06 PM] <Charmides> i dont

[7:32:07 PM] <Charmides> lol

[7:32:15 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> I spen onver 50% for sure

[7:32:21 PM] <Charmides> i get too easily distracted just being harassed at the beginning

[7:32:24 PM] <IownU> and once i have a units selected i give it 20+ orders minimum

[7:32:24 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> but you can never win too much

[7:32:31 PM] <IownU> especiall on maps like comet catcher

[7:32:41 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> 20+, wow

[7:32:44 PM] <Charmides> like what units

[7:32:46 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> I will have to try that

[7:32:52 PM] <Charmides> how can you give like your attacking force 20+ commands

[7:32:56 PM] <IownU> i just have 3-4 cons build rows of solars

[7:33:01 PM] <IownU> you can't

[7:33:05 PM] <Charmides> yeah but a row of solar is just 1 command

[7:33:14 PM] <Charmides> i dont see where the other 19 are coming from

[7:33:16 PM] <IownU> 1 command, 20 orders

[7:33:20 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> cons need long order chains

[7:33:36 PM] <IownU> yeah, but you also have to watch them, in case you need to change the orders

[7:33:39 PM] <Charmides> i can understand teh con veh orders part

[7:33:41 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> idle cons = inferior economy in 5 minutes

[7:33:43 PM] <IownU> no point in suicidal cons

[7:34:00 PM] <IownU> u saw that game vs noize

[7:34:00 PM] <Charmides> i hate 1v1 on like comet catcher though

[7:34:06 PM] <Charmides> way too many weak points at all times

[7:34:06 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> also, metal and energy tores should be close to 0 if possible

[7:34:09 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> stores

[7:34:16 PM] <Charmides> i get too distracted and then they run in lightning tanks at another point and i lose my base

[7:34:20 PM] <IownU> which was a fine demonstration of all the orders i gave my units

[7:34:43 PM] <IownU> yup, metal in storage is no good

[7:34:47 PM] <IownU> put it to work

[7:35:08 PM] <Charmides> bah

[7:35:16 PM] <IownU> on comet, i usually have 10-15 cons in the 1st 12 minutes at work

[7:35:21 PM] <IownU> increasing during the game

[7:35:23 PM] <Charmides> when i played 1v1 on comet i kept getting tanks running rampant behidn my lines and i couldnt stop them

[7:35:31 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> the best training for spring is an econ degree

[7:35:48 PM] <IownU> also, you can build stuff smart

[7:35:51 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> civ and ta are excellent preparation for college level economics

[7:35:53 PM] <IownU> mexes are weak

[7:35:57 PM] <IownU> shield them with solars

[7:36:33 PM] <IownU> or build a row of solars as if they were dt

[7:36:41 PM] <Charmides> and i get harassed too easily at beginning. i was suprised how little of that noize did during your game

[7:36:42 PM] <IownU> so they shield a flank of your base

[7:36:50 PM] <Charmides> the other warc kid i played kept sending weasles all over the place

[7:36:52 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> that works great until the big level 2 tanks run 'em over

[7:36:55 PM] <IownU> so you can focus stationary defense on 1 side, and mobile on the other

[7:37:16 PM] <IownU> i'm talking about the 1st 20 minutes of the battle

[7:37:19 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> yeah

[7:37:21 PM] <IownU> after that all bets are off

[7:37:22 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> I do the same

[7:37:22 PM] <IownU> :P

[7:37:41 PM] <Charmides> after that is where i get owned

[7:37:45 PM] <IownU> on MH in example, i build mexes along the edge or a wall, and a row of solars in front

[7:37:49 PM] <IownU> shielding my mexes

[7:38:07 PM] <IownU> so in case a raid is succesfull, i still have my metal

[7:38:11 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> these things seem basic, but many 100 hr players do not so them

[7:38:13 PM] <Charmides> mh?

[7:38:16 PM] <Charmides> oh

[7:38:17 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> metal heck

[7:38:19 PM] <Charmides> i dont play metal maps anymore

[7:38:21 PM] <Charmides> too annoying

[7:38:24 PM] <IownU> allowing me to rebuild in seconds

[7:38:25 PM] <Charmides> i get bored when games lag

[7:38:30 PM] <IownU> lag sux

[7:38:46 PM] <IownU> but the fault most people make is that they stop building economy at a certain point

[7:38:49 PM] <Charmides> and im back home right now for winter break and my parents only have dialup back here :(

[7:38:55 PM] <IownU> i NEVER stop increasing my reso

[7:39:04 PM] <IownU> lol

[7:39:04 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> you and folke

[7:39:05 PM] <IownU> that sux

[7:39:08 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> and SJ

[7:39:12 PM] <Charmides> well i tend to stop building economy because im too busy pushing the enemy line and want all my resources for that

[7:39:28 PM] <Charmides> and of course i fail

[7:39:30 PM] <Charmides> bah

[7:39:30 PM] <Charmides> lol

[7:39:40 PM] <IownU> an adv kbot + 3 necro's tend to build fusion damn fast...

[7:39:44 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> that works only if your opponent does the same

[7:39:52 PM] <Charmides> does hosting replays work now? I could just show you my stupid replay against min3mat

[7:39:58 PM] <Charmides> instead of renaming all myy problems on it

[7:40:04 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> if you opponent works on economy and you don't, in 5 min he will walk through you

[7:40:26 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> or maybe 10

[7:40:34 PM] <IownU> if you can't stop his attack, yes

[7:40:41 PM] <IownU> if you can, you'll push him back real fast

[7:40:46 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> I tend to play smaller maps

[7:40:51 PM] <Charmides> watch my replay and tell me what my problems are? lol

[7:40:59 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> so my long game econ skills are weak

[7:41:01 PM] <IownU> HLT's tend to rip most lvl 1 stuff to piece real fast

[7:41:23 PM] <Charmides> ill take that as a no :(

[7:41:34 PM] <IownU> does everyone has to have the replay for playback, or only the host?

[7:41:39 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> I should post this conversation on the wiki...

[7:41:43 PM] <Charmides> i think only host

[7:41:47 PM] <Charmides> i think i just transfer it to you somehows

[7:41:48 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> if y'al have no objections

[7:41:51 PM] <Charmides> uh no

[7:41:54 PM] <IownU> i don't

[7:41:55 PM] <Charmides> unless you edit out everything i said

[7:41:56 PM] <Charmides> lol

[7:42:00 PM] <Charmides> i dont want to be on wiki

[7:42:09 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> if I remove your name?

[7:42:22 PM] <Charmides> i spose. RD was the one saying anything important anyways

[7:42:27 PM] <IownU> there's only 1 rule in TA

[7:42:28 PM] <Charmides> just delete me from all of it  :)

[7:42:37 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> the questions are important for context

[7:42:37 PM] <IownU> DON"T STOP BUILDING

[7:42:44 PM] <Charmides> gah dammit foe

[7:42:45 PM] <Charmides> lol

[7:42:47 PM] <Charmides> fine whatever

[7:42:51 PM] <IownU> and for that, you need as many cons as you can afford

[7:42:57 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> I'l replace your name with something else

[7:43:02 PM] <Charmides> yay

[7:43:03 PM] <IownU> nerd1 :P

[7:43:07 PM] <FoeOfTheBee [FD]> heh

[7:43:11 PM] <Charmides> :(

[7:43:12 PM] <Charmides> lol