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| [7:26:24 PM] Back from the game<br> | |
| [7:26:30 PM] <Charmides> yay<br>
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| [7:26:36 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> I was worried about a comm rush<br>
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| [7:26:43 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> that was the reason for defenses<br>
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| [7:26:47 PM] <IownU> well...<br>
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| [7:26:50 PM] <Charmides> im usually aggressive. but then they eventually stop<br>
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| my front line at their base, kill it, and i got nothing left<br>
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| [7:26:51 PM] <IownU> that makes no sense<br>
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| [7:26:51 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> but maybe rockos would have been better<br>
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| [7:26:56 PM] <IownU> if you're afraid of a com rush<br>
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| [7:27:02 PM] <IownU> why build stationary defense<br>
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| [7:27:09 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> requires less micro<br>
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| [7:27:16 PM] <IownU> ah, so you're lazy<br>
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| [7:27:19 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> heh<br>
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| [7:27:23 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> no, I'm busy<br>
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| [7:27:32 PM] <Charmides> grow another hand<br>
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| [7:27:35 PM] <Charmides> its pretty useful<br>
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| [7:27:37 PM] <IownU> a move order doesn't take up much time<br>
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| [7:27:41 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> or maybe not as micro effecient as other players<br>
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| [7:27:59 PM] <IownU> you know how to spread units on a line, right?<br>
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| [7:28:06 PM] <Charmides> drag right mouse<br>
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| [7:28:09 PM] <IownU> yeah<br>
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| [7:28:18 PM] <IownU> just put them on one<br>
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| [7:28:24 PM] <IownU> and when you need to pull back<br>
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| [7:28:27 PM] <IownU> use that same order<br>
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| [7:28:32 PM] <Charmides> i saw you doin a lot of that with noize<br>
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| [7:28:34 PM] <IownU> so units won't walk in eachothers way<br>
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| [7:28:37 PM] <IownU> keep on firing<br>
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| [7:28:42 PM] <IownU> yup<br>
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| [7:28:43 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> I do that quita a bit too<br>
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| [7:28:49 PM] <IownU> so they're not in each others line of fire<br>
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| [7:28:58 PM] <IownU> when enemy units walk in<br>
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| [7:29:02 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> it is especially important with rockos and jethros<br>
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| [7:29:04 PM] <IownU> they're usually clustered<br>
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| [7:29:10 PM] <IownU> so less than 50% of them can actually fire<br>
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| [7:29:24 PM] <IownU> if you have 10 units spread out<br>
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| [7:29:30 PM] <IownU> and your opponent has 15 clustered<br>
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| [7:29:34 PM] <IownU> your 10 will win<br>
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| [7:29:40 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> that line order made rockos and jethros 200% more effective<br>
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| [7:29:49 PM] <IownU> as long as you have all 10 attack 1 enemy unit<br>
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| [7:30:18 PM] <Charmides> can you walk and focus fire at the same time?<br>
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| [7:30:42 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> maybe I should focus more<br>
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| [7:30:49 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> I tend to do stuff all over the map<br>
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| [7:30:54 PM] <IownU> you're better off killing an enemy unit every 2 seconds,<br>
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| than have all of them fire at different units for 20-30 seconds<br>
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| [7:31:11 PM] <IownU> i don't think there's a simple command for that Charmides<br>
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| [7:31:36 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> what I need to do is get more complex in my build order<br>
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| [7:31:42 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> longer chains<br>
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| [7:31:47 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> so I can micro units more<br>
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| [7:31:54 PM] <Charmides> i need to stop losing<br>
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| [7:31:56 PM] <Charmides> im not really sure how though<br>
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| [7:32:02 PM] <IownU> i usually spend 50% of my time on giving cons/plants<br>
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| orders<br>
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| [7:32:03 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> I win a lot<br>
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| [7:32:06 PM] <Charmides> i dont<br>
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| [7:32:07 PM] <Charmides> lol<br>
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| [7:32:15 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> I spen onver 50% for sure<br>
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| [7:32:21 PM] <Charmides> i get too easily distracted just being harassed at<br>
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| the beginning<br>
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| [7:32:24 PM] <IownU> and once i have a units selected i give it 20 orders<br>
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| minimum<br>
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| [7:32:24 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> but you can never win too much<br>
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| [7:32:31 PM] <IownU> especiall on maps like comet catcher<br>
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| [7:32:41 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> 20 , wow<br>
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| [7:32:44 PM] <Charmides> like what units<br>
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| [7:32:46 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> I will have to try that<br>
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| [7:32:52 PM] <Charmides> how can you give like your attacking force 20 <br>
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| commands<br>
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| [7:32:56 PM] <IownU> i just have 3-4 cons build rows of solars<br>
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| [7:33:01 PM] <IownU> you can't<br>
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| [7:33:05 PM] <Charmides> yeah but a row of solar is just 1 command<br>
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| [7:33:14 PM] <Charmides> i dont see where the other 19 are coming from<br>
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| [7:33:16 PM] <IownU> 1 command, 20 orders<br>
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| [7:33:20 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> cons need long order chains<br>
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| [7:33:36 PM] <IownU> yeah, but you also have to watch them, in case you need<br>
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| to change the orders<br>
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| [7:33:39 PM] <Charmides> i can understand teh con veh orders part<br>
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| [7:33:41 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> idle cons = inferior economy in 5 minutes<br>
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| [7:33:43 PM] <IownU> no point in suicidal cons<br>
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| [7:34:00 PM] <IownU> u saw that game vs noize<br>
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| [7:34:00 PM] <Charmides> i hate 1v1 on like comet catcher though<br>
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| [7:34:06 PM] <Charmides> way too many weak points at all times<br>
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| [7:34:06 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> also, metal and energy tores should be close to 0 if<br>
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| possible<br>
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| [7:34:09 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> stores<br>
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| [7:34:16 PM] <Charmides> i get too distracted and then they run in lightning<br>
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| tanks at another point and i lose my base<br>
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| [7:34:20 PM] <IownU> which was a fine demonstration of all the orders i gave<br>
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| my units<br>
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| [7:34:43 PM] <IownU> yup, metal in storage is no good<br>
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| [7:34:47 PM] <IownU> put it to work<br>
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| [7:35:08 PM] <Charmides> bah<br>
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| [7:35:16 PM] <IownU> on comet, i usually have 10-15 cons in the 1st 12<br>
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| minutes at work<br>
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| [7:35:21 PM] <IownU> increasing during the game<br>
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| [7:35:23 PM] <Charmides> when i played 1v1 on comet i kept getting tanks <br>
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| running rampant behidn my lines and i couldnt stop them<br>
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| [7:35:31 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> the best training for spring is an econ degree<br>
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| [7:35:48 PM] <IownU> also, you can build stuff smart<br>
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| [7:35:51 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> civ and ta are excellent preparation for college level<br>
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| economics<br>
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| [7:35:53 PM] <IownU> mexes are weak<br>
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| [7:35:57 PM] <IownU> shield them with solars<br>
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| [7:36:33 PM] <IownU> or build a row of solars as if they were dt<br>
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| [7:36:41 PM] <Charmides> and i get harassed too easily at beginning. i was<br>
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| suprised how little of that noize did during your game<br>
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| [7:36:42 PM] <IownU> so they shield a flank of your base<br>
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| [7:36:50 PM] <Charmides> the other warc kid i played kept sending weasles all<br>
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| over the place<br>
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| [7:36:52 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> that works great until the big level 2 tanks run 'em over<br>
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| [7:36:55 PM] <IownU> so you can focus stationary defense on 1 side, and mobile<br>
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| on the other<br>
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| [7:37:16 PM] <IownU> i'm talking about the 1st 20 minutes of the battle<br>
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| [7:37:19 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> yeah<br>
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| [7:37:21 PM] <IownU> after that all bets are off<br>
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| [7:37:22 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> I do the same<br>
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| [7:37:22 PM] <IownU> :P<br>
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| [7:37:41 PM] <Charmides> after that is where i get owned<br>
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| [7:37:45 PM] <IownU> on MH in example, i build mexes along the edge or a wall,<br>
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| and a row of solars in front<br>
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| [7:37:49 PM] <IownU> shielding my mexes<br>
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| [7:38:07 PM] <IownU> so in case a raid is succesfull, i still have my metal<br>
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| [7:38:11 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> these things seem basic, but many 100 hr players do not so<br>
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| them<br>
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| [7:38:13 PM] <Charmides> mh?<br>
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| [7:38:16 PM] <Charmides> oh<br>
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| [7:38:17 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> metal heck<br>
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| [7:38:19 PM] <Charmides> i dont play metal maps anymore<br>
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| [7:38:21 PM] <Charmides> too annoying<br>
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| [7:38:24 PM] <IownU> allowing me to rebuild in seconds<br>
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| [7:38:25 PM] <Charmides> i get bored when games lag<br>
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| [7:38:30 PM] <IownU> lag sux<br>
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| [7:38:46 PM] <IownU> but the fault most people make is that they stop building<br>
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| economy at a certain point<br>
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| [7:38:49 PM] <Charmides> and im back home right now for winter break and my<br>
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| parents only have dialup back here :(<br>
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| [7:38:55 PM] <IownU> i NEVER stop increasing my reso<br>
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| [7:39:04 PM] <IownU> lol<br>
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| [7:39:04 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> you and folke<br>
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| [7:39:05 PM] <IownU> that sux<br>
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| [7:39:08 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> and SJ<br>
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| [7:39:12 PM] <Charmides> well i tend to stop building economy because im too<br>
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| busy pushing the enemy line and want all my resources for that<br>
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| [7:39:28 PM] <Charmides> and of course i fail<br>
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| [7:39:30 PM] <Charmides> bah<br>
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| [7:39:30 PM] <Charmides> lol<br>
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| [7:39:40 PM] <IownU> an adv kbot 3 necro's tend to build fusion damn fast...<br>
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| [7:39:44 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> that works only if your opponent does the same<br>
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| [7:39:52 PM] <Charmides> does hosting replays work now? I could just show you<br>
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| my stupid replay against min3mat<br>
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| [7:39:58 PM] <Charmides> instead of renaming all myy problems on it<br>
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| [7:40:04 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> if you opponent works on economy and you don't, in 5 min he <br>
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| will walk through you<br>
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| [7:40:26 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> or maybe 10<br>
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| [7:40:34 PM] <IownU> if you can't stop his attack, yes<br>
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| [7:40:41 PM] <IownU> if you can, you'll push him back real fast<br>
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| [7:40:46 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> I tend to play smaller maps<br>
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| [7:40:51 PM] <Charmides> watch my replay and tell me what my problems are? lol<br>
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| [7:40:59 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> so my long game econ skills are weak<br>
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| [7:41:01 PM] <IownU> HLT's tend to rip most lvl 1 stuff to piece real fast<br>
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| [7:41:23 PM] <Charmides> ill take that as a no :(<br>
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| [7:41:34 PM] <IownU> does everyone has to have the replay for playback, or<br>
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| only the host?<br>
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| [7:41:39 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> I should post this conversation on the wiki...<br>
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| [7:41:43 PM] <Charmides> i think only host<br>
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| [7:41:47 PM] <Charmides> i think i just transfer it to you somehows<br>
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| [7:41:48 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> if y'al have no objections<br>
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| [7:41:51 PM] <Charmides> uh no<br>
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| [7:41:54 PM] <IownU> i don't<br>
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| [7:41:55 PM] <Charmides> unless you edit out everything i said<br>
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| [7:41:56 PM] <Charmides> lol<br>
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| [7:42:00 PM] <Charmides> i dont want to be on wiki<br>
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| [7:42:09 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> if I remove your name?<br>
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| [7:42:22 PM] <Charmides> i spose. RD was the one saying anything important<br>
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| anyways<br>
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| [7:42:27 PM] <IownU> there's only 1 rule in TA<br>
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| [7:42:28 PM] <Charmides> just delete me from all of it :)<br>
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| [7:42:37 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> the questions are important for context<br>
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| [7:42:37 PM] <IownU> DON"T STOP BUILDING<br>
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| [7:42:44 PM] <Charmides> gah dammit foe<br>
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| [7:42:45 PM] <Charmides> lol<br>
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| [7:42:47 PM] <Charmides> fine whatever<br>
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| [7:42:51 PM] <IownU> and for that, you need as many cons as you can afford<br>
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| [7:42:57 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> I'l replace your name with something else<br>
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| [7:43:02 PM] <Charmides> yay<br>
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| [7:43:03 PM] <IownU> nerd1 :P<br>
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| [7:43:07 PM] <FoeOfTheBee[FD]> heh<br>
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| [7:43:11 PM] <Charmides> :(<br>
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| [7:43:12 PM] <Charmides> lol<br>
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