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Enetheru: added another thought.

2015-05-25T06:32:35Z

added another thought.

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	The UV coordintes are generated with glgentexi for each ROAM patch, so the size of the tiles at render time are the size of patches.		The UV coordintes are generated with glgentexi for each ROAM patch, so the size of the tiles at render time are the size of patches.

			= Modularisation =
			The engine project should support drop in replacement/selectable replacement for components like the pathfinder/map format/assets/interface use etc. for instance, once again the discussion on why we cant have nice things(3d terrain) came up again and i got to thinking of researching how and why again.. it all leads to the same place.. dont break backwards compatability, new features are slower shittier.. so i got to thinking of replacing a single component of the system for testing purposes... but why cannot that be the norm? surely for certain styles of games a different pathfinder would be faster/more accurate depending on needs. its up to the games to determine what they want to use. everything is too closely linked. the source code already gives some ways to do this, and some features already support similar things, like water, old terrain and ROAM. perhaps a protocol for communicating replacement concepts.

Enetheru: /* Rotation of Tiles */ preliminary research.

2014-06-08T08:41:25Z

Rotation of Tiles: preliminary research.

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	2 of those bits can be used to specify tile rotation, if your map is mirrored on the x and y coordinates then you can receive a 4x reduction in smt size.		2 of those bits can be used to specify tile rotation, if your map is mirrored on the x and y coordinates then you can receive a 4x reduction in smt size.
			=== Challenges ===
			the shading for the terrain mesh is spread out all over the place,
			The shading methods are three fold, fixed function, ARB shaders GLSL shader. each system would need to be modified to complete the project. SMFRenderState.{cpp,h}

			The UV coordintes are generated with glgentexi for each ROAM patch, so the size of the tiles at render time are the size of patches.

Enetheru: deleted some ranty words. categorised

2014-06-02T03:22:18Z

deleted some ranty words. categorised

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	I'm so sick of these thoughts that repeatedly pop into my head.. so here is a place to dump them, so hopefully they will stop running around in there causing me strife.		I'm so sick of these thoughts that repeatedly pop into my head.. so here is a place to dump them, so hopefully they will stop running around in there causing me strife.
			= Lobby =
			Why is there some weird dedicated IRC chat thingo.. really i just want to be able to load up my irc client and log in to ask questions and hang out.. I really don't want to use some shitty lobby, i know there is an IRC bridge, but extra work is putting up barriers to entry.

	~~Why is there some weird dedicated IRC chat thingo.. really i just want to be able to load up my irc client and log in to ask questions and hang out.. i really don't want to use some shitty lobby.~~		= file formats =
			== textures ==
	Why are the formats so fucked up and difficult to use, and why are there so many.		Why are the formats so fucked up and difficult to use, and why are there so many.
	the primary texture for any object should be its diffuse+alpha, then everything else put in a secondary or more textures. it makes no sense to do it any other way.. it creates difficulty unnecessarily.		the primary texture for any object should be its diffuse+alpha, then everything else put in a secondary or more textures. it makes no sense to do it any other way.. it creates difficulty unnecessarily.
			== 3d models ==
	Why does the engine support so many formats, it may be slightly convenient for that one person who uses some obscure format.. but it fragments the art dev community. pick something that works and use it, everything else can be marked as unsuitable. then all assets will be the same.. if you need to change it, perform a system wide change.. also i cant imagine how much code maintenance that must be to support. this goes for 3d formats as well as 2d formats.. official documentation should pick one and stick to it.		Why does the engine support so many formats, it may be slightly convenient for that one person who uses some obscure format.. but it fragments the art dev community. pick something that works and use it, everything else can be marked as unsuitable. then all assets will be the same.. if you need to change it, perform a system wide change.. also i cant imagine how much code maintenance that must be to support. this goes for 3d formats as well as 2d formats.. official documentation should pick one and stick to it.

			= Tools =
			== MapConv ==
	Why is one of the core tools Mapconv separate from the engine, considering spring is supposed to be an engine which others use, the fact that mapconv isn't treated as an integral part of the whole is ludicrous.. currently its suffering bitrot and incompatibility due to lack of maintenance.		Why is one of the core tools Mapconv separate from the engine, considering spring is supposed to be an engine which others use, the fact that mapconv isn't treated as an integral part of the whole is ludicrous.. currently its suffering bitrot and incompatibility due to lack of maintenance.

	~~The tools are~~ the ~~most important part of~~ an ~~engine project~~, ~~and yet they receive fuck all support. Abstracting away the difficult shit is how things get done. templatizing and documentation~~, ~~pipeline integration~~, etc ~~are far more important than a 0~~.~~01% optimization~~. ~~As an engine project i have no idea why tools have been left out of~~ the ~~equation like they somehow are not as important~~.		= incubation, birth, learning, leaving the nest =
			== Spring hosted ==
			Spring is an incubator for its projects, provide servers, tools, community, testing etc. all the games use this incubation chamber to run their world. but it appears that leaving the nest is super hard.
			== turnkey ==
	Network infrastructure.. or infrastructure in general is also a tool.. if i want to create a game using the engine i don't necessarily want to integrate with the rest of the spring community, but i want it as an option.. when i download the package i want to have the tools to create me own game and release in multiple ways. a client, a server. and the server i want options for not just a host, but a chat host, file server for maps and mods, mumble server.. basically for a client i just want the lobby + engine.. but for the server i want Live CD/meta-package that auto installs all components and has shell scripts all made to run all services on the host. that way i can use the engine to make my game, and then run servers completely independently from the rest of the spring community. I also want the options to not run independently, if my game is small, or experimental.		Network infrastructure.. or infrastructure in general is also a tool.. if i want to create a game using the engine i don't necessarily want to integrate with the rest of the spring community, but i want it as an option.. when i download the package i want to have the tools to create me own game and release in multiple ways. a client, a server. and the server i want options for not just a host, but a chat host, file server for maps and mods, mumble server.. basically for a client i just want the lobby + engine.. but for the server i want Live CD/meta-package that auto installs all components and has shell scripts all made to run all services on the host. that way i can use the engine to make my game, and then run servers completely independently from the rest of the spring community. I also want the options to not run independently, if my game is small, or experimental.

Enetheru: bleh

2014-06-01T17:26:50Z

bleh

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	Network infrastructure.. or infrastructure in general is also a tool.. if i want to create a game using the engine i don't necessarily want to integrate with the rest of the spring community, but i want it as an option.. when i download the package i want to have the tools to create me own game and release in multiple ways. a client, a server. and the server i want options for not just a host, but a chat host, file server for maps and mods, mumble server.. basically for a client i just want the lobby + engine.. but for the server i want Live CD/meta-package that auto installs all components and has shell scripts all made to run all services on the host. that way i can use the engine to make my game, and then run servers completely independently from the rest of the spring community. I also want the options to not run independently, if my game is small, or experimental.		Network infrastructure.. or infrastructure in general is also a tool.. if i want to create a game using the engine i don't necessarily want to integrate with the rest of the spring community, but i want it as an option.. when i download the package i want to have the tools to create me own game and release in multiple ways. a client, a server. and the server i want options for not just a host, but a chat host, file server for maps and mods, mumble server.. basically for a client i just want the lobby + engine.. but for the server i want Live CD/meta-package that auto installs all components and has shell scripts all made to run all services on the host. that way i can use the engine to make my game, and then run servers completely independently from the rest of the spring community. I also want the options to not run independently, if my game is small, or experimental.

	= ~~Upgrading the tile based mapping/implementing the original vision =~~		= map format ideas =
	~~= current~~ map ~~rendering~~ ==		== Rotation of Tiles ==
			The tileindex inside the smf uses 32bit unsigned integers to store the index, thats 4 294 967 296 tiles that can be referenced.. lets put that in perspective..
	== ~~rotation~~ ==
	~~the~~ tileindex inside the smf uses 32bit unsigned integers to store the index, thats 4 294 967 296 tiles that can be referenced.. lets put that in perspective..
	* if every tile was unique		* if every tile was unique
	* the map was square		* the map was square
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	2 of those bits can be used to specify tile rotation, if your map is mirrored on the x and y coordinates then you can receive a 4x reduction in smt size.		2 of those bits can be used to specify tile rotation, if your map is mirrored on the x and y coordinates then you can receive a 4x reduction in smt size.

	~~== tile size ==~~
	the current tile size of 32x32 pixels is too small to use as a tile based map, being able to change the tile size will make constructing these types of maps much easier. I need to read the codebase a little more to fully understand.

Enetheru: adding in idea about smt tile rotation and tile size.

2014-06-01T15:56:27Z

adding in idea about smt tile rotation and tile size.

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 I'm so sick of these thoughts that repeatedly pop into my head.. so here is a place to dump them, so hopefully they will stop running around in there causing me strife.
 Why is there some weird dedicated IRC chat thingo.. really i just want to be able to load up my irc client and log in to ask questions and hang out.. i really don't want to use some shitty lobby.
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 Network infrastructure.. or infrastructure in general is also a tool.. if i want to create a game using the engine i don't necessarily want to integrate with the rest of the spring community, but i want it as an option.. when i download the package i want to have the tools to create me own game and release in multiple ways. a client, a server. and the server i want options for not just a host, but a chat host, file server for maps and mods, mumble server.. basically for a client i just want the lobby + engine.. but for the server i want Live CD/meta-package that auto installs all components and has shell scripts all made to run all services on the host. that way i can use the engine to make my game, and then run servers completely independently from the rest of the spring community. I also want the options to not run independently, if my game is small, or experimental.
-IMHO the spring community has messed up priorities. and given that i successfully go to uni next year, resume my graphics programming degree i will think about pushing this community kicking and screaming if necessary, or just plain forking it, into a project worthy of its codebase.
+= Upgrading the tile based mapping/implementing the original vision =

Flozi: Flozi moved page Enetheru:Dump to User:Enetheru/Dump: Keep uncategorised pages in User, please! :P

2013-08-19T17:29:39Z

Flozi moved page Enetheru:Dump to User:Enetheru/Dump: Keep uncategorised pages in User, please! :P

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Enetheru: rant

2013-08-03T01:45:45Z

rant

New page

I'm so sick of these thoughts that repeatedly pop into my head.. so here is a place to dump them, so hopefully they will stop running around in there causing me strife.

At the moment i have been thinking about reasons spring sucks. not on the highly technical features but in general infra and state.

Why is there some weird dedicated IRC chat thingo.. really i just want to be able to load up my irc client and log in to ask questions and hang out.. i really don't want to use some shitty lobby.

Why are the formats so fucked up and difficult to use, and why are there so many.
the primary texture for any object should be its diffuse+alpha, then everything else put in a secondary or more textures. it makes no sense to do it any other way.. it creates difficulty unnecessarily.

Why does the engine support so many formats, it may be slightly convenient for that one person who uses some obscure format.. but it fragments the art dev community. pick something that works and use it, everything else can be marked as unsuitable. then all assets will be the same.. if you need to change it, perform a system wide change.. also i cant imagine how much code maintenance that must be to support. this goes for 3d formats as well as 2d formats.. official documentation should pick one and stick to it.

Why is one of the core tools Mapconv separate from the engine, considering spring is supposed to be an engine which others use, the fact that mapconv isn't treated as an integral part of the whole is ludicrous.. currently its suffering bitrot and incompatibility due to lack of maintenance.

The tools are the most important part of an engine project, and yet they receive fuck all support. Abstracting away the difficult shit is how things get done. templatizing and documentation, pipeline integration, etc are far more important than a 0.01% optimization. As an engine project i have no idea why tools have been left out of the equation like they somehow are not as important.

Network infrastructure.. or infrastructure in general is also a tool.. if i want to create a game using the engine i don't necessarily want to integrate with the rest of the spring community, but i want it as an option.. when i download the package i want to have the tools to create me own game and release in multiple ways. a client, a server. and the server i want options for not just a host, but a chat host, file server for maps and mods, mumble server.. basically for a client i just want the lobby + engine.. but for the server i want Live CD/meta-package that auto installs all components and has shell scripts all made to run all services on the host. that way i can use the engine to make my game, and then run servers completely independently from the rest of the spring community. I also want the options to not run independently, if my game is small, or experimental.

IMHO the spring community has messed up priorities. and given that i successfully go to uni next year, resume my graphics programming degree i will think about pushing this community kicking and screaming if necessary, or just plain forking it, into a project worthy of its codebase.